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Re: Jointing or Biscuits

by Tom Watson <notme@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 7, 2008 at 08:35 PM

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:24:12 -0500, dpb <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>Tom Watson wrote:
>...
>
>> let me ask you a question, Chris.
>> 
>> In all the tests that I have seen, although it is true that the glue
>> line does not break, the break is always near the glue line.  It does
>> not appear to be the case that the break is in another part of the
>> panel that is away from the glue line.
>> 
>> What's up with that?
>...
>
>Every test I've seen the two pieces are the same width so the joint is 
>in the middle.  When the board is loaded and sup****ted on the edges, the 
>point of highest stress is then in the middle; hence unless there is a 
>weak point farther towards one edge or another, the most likely place 
>for the failure is near the point of highest stress, the middle.
>
>Since as noted, the glue joint actually is generally as strong as or 
>stronger than the material, typically it is slightly to one side or the 
>other of the joint where the break occurs.
>
>Simply physics of the test geometry is the basic explanation... :)
>
>The more interesting test that is illuminating is the one of the bridle 
>joint joint loaded perpendicularly to the grain on one piece -- even 
>there it is typically either the wood that breaks or a combination 
>rather than a glue-line failure for well machined joints.
>
>--


Tomorrow I'm going to glue up a panel like I would use for a raised
panel door.

I'll let it set up for a day or so and then apply force to the center
of the entire panel, which will not be the same as applying a force to
a single glue line.

I'll be interested to see what happens.





Regards, Tom.

Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
 




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