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Re: Ebay Diamonds

by Abrasha <abrasha@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 22, 2008 at 12:46 AM

Peter W.. Rowe, wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:52:20 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry "William
Black"
> <william.black@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>> British Customs (I'm not sure what the agency is called this week) has
just 
>>> bought a very clever device for telling the origin of diamonds by some
sort 
>>> clever test,  probably crystalography of some kind.
> 
> Very costly machines.  They detect very slight differences in the
various
> impurities in the crystals, which tend to vary based on location.  Even
then,
> however, it seldom can proove origin, only suggest it, as there's
significant
> overlap in these properties from one location to another.  They can, for
> example, take some stones and know for certain that they did not come
from
> Sierro leone (one of the biggest problem areas),  but the machine can't
say this
> for certain for all locations, especially stones from other parts of
africa with
> similar geology.  And then there are the stones from Sierra Leone that
happen to
> be legal.  Perhaps mined legally before the war, or since, etc. etc.  No
> separation there.  And some stones, both blook diamonds and not, will
simply not
> give any definative reading on the machine.   It's a better test than
nothing,
> but a long way from being even close to perfect.   So far, the only real
> solution has been requiring im****ters, cutters, dealers, to maintain a
paper
> trail showing the origin of the stones.  But I've yet to see a retail
store
> offering retail customers any paperwork that verifiably continues this
paper
> trail, so consumers are left hanging.   And dishonest dealers have been
known to
> forge paperwork.
> 
>>> I gather that if you're even wearing too much expensive looking
jewellery 
>>> they get to play with it.  ****pments of diamonds all get to go through
it...
> 
> ****pments are probably less of a problem, since the likelyhood of proper
> paperwork and do***entation is higher.  Such do***entation is not likely
with
> finished jewelery, and even then, the testing may be not very
meaningful.  Even
> if diamonds are suspected of being originally from Sierra Leone or other
> conflict areas, there's no way to tell when they were mined, or if
legally. You
> could have a fine diamond necklace, purchased legally in Hong Cong, with
> paperwork claiming conflict free diamonds, which are in fact bloody as
hell, but
> if properly declared at customs, this would be legal.  no grounds to
confiscate
> it.   Or another similar necklace, except from Harry Winston made in
1955, also
> with stones from Seirra Leone that the machine might yell about, yet it
too is
> legal and the diamonds were not in a conflict then.   All in all, lots
of
> problems with such test.  But at least, smugglers don't always know
this.  The
> real testers are likely to remain the customs officers themselves,
looking for
> things being brought across that they can prove are illegal, or when
smugglers,
> thinking themselves caught, will give away clues as to their activity.  
> 
> 
>>> I keep looking for these synthetic stones here in the UK,  but,  as
I've 
>>> said before here,  so far nobody seems to be interested in supplying
them to 
>>> jewellers in small quantities.
>>>
> 
> In part, they're simply not available even in large quantities.  Don't
feel
> excluded.  Gemesys, the main manufacturer of the nice yellow synthetics,
is not
> able to make anywhere near as much as they could sell, so they hardly
need to
> look for new distributors, either large or small.
>   
>>> Then I must have misheard the chap at one gem supplier.
> 
> Look for Chatham ruby, 

Tom Chatham's (http://www.chatham.com/clippings/c95-1.html)
office is 
here in San Francisco, one block from my studio.  He makes nice Emeralds 
too.

-- 
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com
 




 35 Posts in Topic:
Ebay Diamonds
papa smurf <DSOldham@[  2008-06-20 10:04:20 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Heinrich Butschal <deb  2008-06-21 09:46:20 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Abrasha <abrasha@[EMAI  2008-06-22 00:43:57 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Heinrich Butschal <deb  2008-06-22 12:26:56 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
gruhn <gruhn@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-15 18:45:45 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Peter W.. Rowe,&quo  2008-07-15 18:51:30 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Heinrich Butschal <deb  2008-07-16 09:03:45 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"William Black"  2008-06-21 14:04:52 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Peter W.. Rowe,&quo  2008-06-21 14:22:18 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"William Black"  2008-06-21 14:52:20 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Peter W.. Rowe,&quo  2008-06-21 15:25:16 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Abrasha <abrasha@[EMAI  2008-06-22 00:46:28 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Séimí mac Liam"  2008-06-22 12:28:28 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
gruhn <gruhn@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-15 18:46:20 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Abrasha <abrasha@[EMAI  2008-06-22 00:41:05 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"William Black"  2008-06-22 12:27:30 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
gruhn <gruhn@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-15 18:46:10 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Abrasha <abrasha@[EMAI  2008-06-22 00:41:19 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"William Black"  2008-06-22 12:27:42 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Abrasha <abrasha@[EMAI  2008-06-22 14:14:22 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"William Black"  2008-06-23 10:03:21 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Peter W.. Rowe,&quo  2008-06-22 14:35:16 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"William Black"  2008-06-23 10:03:29 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
papa smurf <DSOldham@[  2008-06-23 18:24:59 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Peter W.. Rowe,&quo  2008-06-23 20:26:51 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Heinrich Butschal <deb  2008-06-24 09:32:47 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Heinrich Butschal <deb  2008-06-24 09:34:46 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Abrasha <abrasha@[EMAI  2008-06-24 09:32:39 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Graver <mgerrasch@[EMA  2008-06-28 12:19:12 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Peter W.. Rowe,&quo  2008-06-28 12:37:29 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
gruhn <gruhn@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-15 18:45:59 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Peter W.. Rowe,&quo  2008-06-21 14:49:12 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Abrasha <abrasha@[EMAI  2008-06-21 17:30:59 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
"Peter W.. Rowe,&quo  2008-06-21 17:37:05 
Re: Ebay Diamonds
Heinrich Butschal <deb  2008-06-22 00:40:45 

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